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  Re: All in Good Cause

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Subject: Re: All in Good Cause
Poster: okyn@bu.edu
Date: 22 Mar 2007 22:37:22 -0700
Related Postings: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
On Mar 22, 1:22 am, "Paul J Kriha" wrote:
> wrote in messagenews:1174521709.509686.51720@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 21, 5:34 pm, "Zdislav V. Kovarik" wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Jiri Pecka wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:26:04 -0700, Karel Kriz
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >In article <45fe80dd.13192015@news-server>,
> > > > > nos...@nospam.com (Jiri Pecka) wrote:
> > > > >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:24:10 +1000, Stan R wrote:
> > > > >> <..>
> > > > >> Nah, we won't be bothered reading it.
> > > > >> We *know* it can't be true because:
> > > > >> 1. It is too long.
> > > > >> 2. It is too shrill.
> > > > >> 3. It does not agree with what Al Gore says.
>
> > > > >> And, besides, you are a biased right-wing pro-globalization
> > > > >> capitalist, no doubt on the payroll of a major
> > > > >> child-labour-exploiting, profit-driven, racist and fascist
> > > > >> multinational corporation.
> > > > >> Jiri Pecka,
> > > > >> Your Friendly Local Carbon Footprint Specialist
> > > > >> *** Call me on 01232 6678 6777 to to purchase your carbon credits at
> > > > >> unbelievable never-to-be-repeated prices, NOW!!! ***
>
> > > > >Maybe. Maybe not. The article is fiction, F I C T I O N, written by a
> > > > >science fiction writer using fictional characters. So it's just
> > > > >speculation. Vapor.
>
> > > > >Is this is what you base your opinions on?
> > > > >K
>
> > > > Sadly, it's not fiction, even though it starts like one.
> > > > I bet you didn't read it beyond the first few lines.
>
> > > > But even if it was fiction, Karl, there are enough facts already.
> > > > Have you looked at the BBC documentary yet?
> > > > I bet not. And do you know why? Because you
> > > > don't want to. You are not in the least interested in facts.
> > > > In fact you are *afraid* of facts.
>
> > > > And this "fiction" article shows precisely the reasons why it is so:
> > > > Once people invest their money and energy in a scam, they tend to
> > > > ignore facts and hold onto the scam for as long as possible.
> > > > Some (in this particular case many) do so because of vested interests;
> > > > some because of pride alone (does it include you?) - it becomes
> > > > *their* scam.
>
> > > > Never mind, time will show. But it won't be cheap.
> > > > This is a megascam, a defining scam of decades if not a generation,
> > > > just like communism once was. The only people who will benefit will be
> > > > high-flying scamsters and the Al Gores of this world. But I guess this
> > > > is the way you like it.
> > > > Jiri Pecka
>
> > > That's the point: if and when the scam bubble bursts, the perpetrators
> > > will be impossible to find: switched to other enterprise, retired, moved
> > > away (if alive), the more brazen ones lecturing against what they had
> > > preached before, ... - but enjoying the loot.
> > > Except for the dupes who fell for it because of Mr. Gore's or
> > > somebody else's charisma, and who will join the ruined crowd.
> > > Cheers, Slavek(ZVK)
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > - Dedecku, dedecku, rikali nam ve skole, ze nase generace se
> > > dozije komunismu!
> > > - Me nenaseres, ja mam rakovinu.
>
> > The article by Card is impressive but rests primarily on the
> > suggestion that Mann manipulated data, to obtain the hockey stick
> > effect.
>
> Suggestions?
> This is not the first article about Mann's manipulation of data
> I have recently read. Neither those articles nor the Card's
> article look like mere _suggestion_ to me.
>
> The maths parts of the articles are pretty conclusive.
> It is impossible to reach Mann's results without willfully
> manipulating and fabricating raw data.
>
> > In spite of that there is a possibility that "the global
> > warming" side may still be right.
>
> This kind of argument couldn't possibly come from somebody
> calling himself an intelectual!!!
>
> > Remember that Gregor Mendel was also
> > accused of manipulating his data to get desired results of his
> > experiments. But today we know that in spite of that his theory was
> > correct.
>
> You should be ashamed of yourself for publicly espousing
> this kind of logic.
>
> > On the other hand the BBC film shows many more convincing facts. The
> > basic argument: [Sun (sunspots) -> warming or cooling earth ->
> > increase or decrease of CO2 with considerable lag] seems to be well
> > documented and that would falsify the hypothesis that global warming
> > is the result of human activity. To disprove this conclusion, it would
> > be needed either to prove that there is something wrong with their
> > data or alternatively to prove that not CO2 but something else
> > generated by the human activity is the main cause of global warming.
>
> The truth is single handed, There is no "on one hand" and
> on "the other hand" in mathematics, science and the whole
> physical universe. Truth is what it is. Either we understand
> well what is happening, or less well, or not at all.

This is the pure Horganism!!!!! http://amasci.com/weird/horgnism.html


>
> Even if a fraudulent analysis gets by some remote chance
> proven in the future (and what's the chance of that here?)
> to have been in support of some worthwile cause, it will
> still remain a fraudulent argument, and it's author will still
> be a dishonest schyster.
>
> pjk
>
>
>
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